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MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:04:00 - [1] The OP is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin...
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:12:00 - [2] TL;DR: "i HaTe CAREBAREZ!!1 U RUIN MY gAmE!1! BLAH BLAH i DONT N33D U!!1 U SUK cuz i PWN J00!1! ccp PL0X MAKE DEM GO AWAY!1!" Sigh, moar pirate tearz.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Rells The pvpers, on the other hand, are universally a group that want a challenge... This bit here is just priceless You mean challenge like gatecamping challenge? Like "hey lets gank that miner" challenge? I used to travel a certain route which was gatecamped and blobbed day in/day out by Agony Unleashed. Yeah, I could see how that could be a challenge . But yeah, carry on...
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Aurora Nyx I'm so glad i stopping reading after the first sentence. You didn't miss much unless you're into tears. Just another "PVPer" whining and sobbing about carebears.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Cassandra Masami And of course, I avoided every form of ship-to-ship PvP that I possibly could. Don't feel bad. The great majority of "PVPers" follow this very same doctrine. They mostly engage in battles they have slim chances of losing. It's just they psych themselves into thinking somehow their balls are bigger in real life and are superior to those that choose to minimize there losses by avoiding ship-to-ship combat. I've been smacked, called a coward, *****, on local for escaping gatecamp ganks and ganks in general . I'm a coward for running from a 10-man camp \o/ YAY!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Malcanis At least he's actually done something in game, unlike your sole achievement of becoming so blatant a forum troll that you got banned. Really? I got banned? I must have missed the memo And speaking of trolls, how have you been doing lately? Still funding the hate-a-carebear-a-day campaign? And say, you must obviously know what I've done in game to make such general accusations. I troll spiteful idiots like you that only spew hate and rage over carebears. Keep on hatin', buddy.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:53:00 - [7] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 06/10/2009 17:55:55 Originally by: Malcanis Ahahaha hate? For you? That'll be the day. No, seriously, I reserve my hate for people who, however despicable, have actually done something. All you've ever done is troll an internet forum - and not very well at that. Oh no You've hurt me right where it hurts . Quote: What pitiable losers like you fail to appreciate is that someone can sincerely enjoy an activity like playing EvE, and post an honest viewpoint on it that just so happens to contradict your own. I've had plenty of useful and enjoyable discussions from good people whom I respect on the other side of the carebear fence, so to speak, because they weren't frothing little hatesacks like you. You don't even advance the cause you claim to support. All you do is try and degrade the debate and reduce it to a few CTRL-C CRTL-V talking points; You're the Rush Limbaugh of carebears. You know what I've noticed after playing for years and years? "Elite" PVPers will ALWAYS view themselves superior to anyone that doesn't play their way. PERIOD. I used to "conversate" and express my views in a "civilized" manner to the other side. It just plainly doesn't work. There is no reason or logic with these "hardcore" PVP types. There's no middle ground. It's always the same crap, "carebears sux0r5!1! and they must be bent to our rules!!1!". There is no co-existing. So to try and reason with you types is futile and pointless. A month from now you (yes, you yourself included) will be ridiculing some random player here on the forums for asking something about a war dec or such. It's how you types operate. Someone tries to be civilized with you and they get ridiculed. When they ridicule you then you pull the "hey lets be civilized" card. Pathetic really.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 18:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Malcanis That's OK man, I have a scrollbutton on my mouse. Awesome! Can we be friends now?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 18:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Ukucia Originally by: Rumba Purring Without mentioning labels, we have people who like betting the farm to win big (generally PvPers) and people who don't like being exposed to risks. There is nothing wrong with being either. You haven't PvP'ed much in this game, have you? PvPers like to pretend that they're the brave souls, out fighting against the odds and risking everything. Fact is, the vast majority of the time PvP is completely safe for the aggressor. He's chosen his target such that he has very little chance of losing. If it looks like there's a decent chance they'll lose, your typical PvPer flies away looking for a better target (Btw, this is the smart thing to do). It's about as risky as clubbing a baby seal. The exception to this case is when PvP happens around a fixed asset where retreat isn't a viable option. But you'll only find this kind of PvP in wars between alliances. But that's a minority of PvP in EvE. If PvP consisted more of wars over territory/resources/etc, then I'd be far more pleased with it. Unfortunately, PvP devolved to the point of suicide ganks and gatecamps. Those don't deserve to be called PvP. How 'bout we call them PvBS (player vs. baby seal)? A++. Well said.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 20:07:00 - [10] It wouldn't surprise me to find out that PVPers such as the OP are the ones that have driven other MMO's out of business. The loudest minority whining and hate-mongering against all that refuse to play their style. It's either the "be my target or GTFO my game" mentality. The only important subscription fee is the one they pay. None others' matter. These are the players that ironically enough call carebears "whiners", "selfish", "greedy", etc.

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 20:28:00 - [11] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 06/10/2009 20:29:17 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Carebears by my most common used definition is a player that wants to avoid all PVP as much as possible and be 'left alone to play their game in peace'. What's funny is that this quote above describes what "PVPers" such as yourself are all about. YOU want to avoid PVP as much as possible only doing it when you are all but guaranteed a win. And of all people, you, Bellum, are probably the best example of what being a selfish whining player is all about. Your whines purely emphasize on how to make your game as a pirate better, not the game as a whole, but YOUR game alone. You just 'want to be left alone' in your own bubble of 'PVP'. Quote: Yes, you (carebears) are ruining the game. And why don't you go find a game where carebears are banned from playing instead of *****ing and whining for years on end about this one?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 05:59:00 - [12] Quote: Rells, I think you're 100% right, particularly about pvp'ers creating content and carebears being parasitic. Carebearz ArE pArAs1tEs!1! ThEy mUsT bE eXtErMiNaTeD!1!1! So now that we've arrived to this logical connclusion the question is how do we convince CCP to get rid of this parasite, this vermin? Surely it must realize it's for it's own good. And who is going to be the one to tell it? NOT IT!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:37:00 - [13] Carebears are not welcome in this game. I think it's time CCP dropped their subscriptions from Eve. Hardcore PVPers do NOT need carebears, period. This game would only improve without their presence. If you cannot understand this simple concept it is because you're an idiot and you're part of the problem. Carebears are nothing but parasites that suck the life out of games. Then they move on to the next game. They do nothing but whine and ask for security from the developers. CCP needs to realize that this game is slowly dying because of the damage these parasites are causing. Please help me start a thread on this in the Assembly Hall asking CSMs to bring this issue up to CCP. If this game is to move forward then we will need to get rid of the carebears. I know there is already a most avid anti-carebear movement group on board with me and I've taken the liberty to sign their names to this request below. Malcanis Akita T DigitalCommunist Le Skunk Rells If we do not do anything about this unfortunate vermin that has attached itself into Eve we risk losing the great minds above. Please help support the cause. We need to get rid of the carebears. Thank you
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Malcanis That's most helpful of you, but shouldn't this have been posted in the assembly hall forum? Patience, my anti-carebear brother. First we must garner support from the mainstream players in the General Discussion Forums. Once we muster their support we will be ready to attack the carebears where it hurts. For now just keep spewing anti-carebear rhetoric. Sooner or later the majority will be on board.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 12:08:00 - [15] Originally by: DTson Gauur Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Carebears are not welcome in this game. I think it's time CCP dropped their subscriptions from Eve. Hardcore PVPers do NOT need carebears, period. This game would only improve without their presence. If you cannot understand this simple concept it is because you're an idiot and you're part of the problem. So you're saying CCP should lose 80% of it's paying customers? Yeah right, like that is ever going to happen. We need to get rid of this cancer that is carebears at all costs. Even if it means sacrificing and burning Eve to the ground. I won't be happy until carebears are gone from the game. All those who support me say "HEY BROTHA!": ...
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 13:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Gefex Carebear's come and go, there may well be exceptions but ultimately they will be short term players. And since this is pulled straight out of your ass I guess proof isn't needed. Been playing for 5 years and still a carebear. I guess I'm the exception eh?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 13:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte Originally by: kongking wang Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte your "example" doesn't fit your logic. following your logic, you'd join the army & "grind" for your gear without actually training the usage. when you get deployed you might have the shiniest and biggest weapons available, but your experience in using it is actually 0. it's like being told to operate a radar, while you don't even know how to turn on your mobile phone my logic is sound. i joined up, then i spent years in trg, learning how to use the weapons and vehicles and testing it different senarios. this is just like trg a skill to use a specific weapon or vehicle in eve then doing missions or friendly pvp against friends/collegues simulating fighting a foe. then when i go into actuall combat i have not only the skills but the gear and a general knowlage of what i have to do. [...] now tell me again my logic is flawed it still is. doing missions isn't anything close to "training" when it comes to PvP. things like target priority, scouting, EW and even piloting skills (transversal, keeping range/closing in) can hardly be trained by missions. fighting corpmates might be a better choice. but then again - the used tactics are limited as likely is the ship choice. also you shouldn't underestimate the inexperience of your corpmates. unless they are doing PvP themselves on a regular basis you won't learn that much from them - doing pre-set 1v1 with pre-set conditions has not much to do with actual combat in EVE. and when they are doing PvP on a regular basis, why not join up with them? the most difficult thing to learn in PvP is dealing with unpredictable situations. missions and fighting corpmates don't prepare you for this. my point is: what you consider as preparation for PvP (SP, ships & modules) isn't actually being prepared. And if someone decides not to join the army and instead decides to build the weapons, vehicles, clothes, etc, for the army how is this wrong? Not everyone must join the army. Not everyone is interested in combat experience. It's what makes Eve so unique. You do whatever the hell you fancy, not what Malcanis, Akita, or Tippia fancy.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 14:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Sizzle Anburn PVPing or not isn't what makes you a carebear. Carebearism is a state of mind. Biggest carebears I know are found in 0.0 living off moongold, officer spawns, and ship insurance to fund their endless no "consequences for losing" pvp. Losing a ship has become so inconsequential that CCP might as well just respawn their ships for them. Hardcore pvper's indeed. I have found that the biggest carebears in the game are the anti-carebears themselves. Everything they profess against they do in one form or another. They minimize risk almost to zero, yet whine when "carebears" do it. I agree it's a state of mind. And it's a state of mind that these "hardcore PVPers" themselves are in.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 14:18:00 - [19] Yarr!
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 14:38:00 - [20] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 07/10/2009 14:40:39 "Carebears" (the non-offensive form) for the most part ARE industrialists or merchants. They buy. They sell. They build. About the only thing they mostly don't do is destroy. That's the job of the PVPer.

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 15:11:00 - [21] Tippia, A PVPer that only goes about PVPing and only PVPing is not contributing anything useful to the game as well. PURE PVP, as in the destruction of goods, increases inflation since there are less goods and same amount of isk. Yet, I don't see you whining about them. In fact, I'm pretty sure they don't care they don't contribute anything useful. I'm pretty sure they destroy because it's what they WANT to do and because that's what's fun to them. In other words, let the carebears do their jobs and let the PVPers do theirs. If there's an imbalance somewhere let CCP fix it, FFS. Stop trying to create a problem that doesn't exist.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 15:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Tippia The reason carebears are bad for EVE is because they don't want to play EVE and try to steer the game away from every thing that makes it unique and exciting. ...sigh... Originally by: Tippia The reason carebears are bad for EVE is because they don't want to play EVE the way I want them to play it and try to steer the game away from what I think is every thing that makes it unique and exciting. Had to fix this quote a bit.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 15:31:00 - [23] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 07/10/2009 15:36:33 Originally by: Tippia By "pure PvP", by which I assume you actually mean "combat" (since pure PvP is in a lot more places than that), contributes by creating demand and adding ISK to the game, actually, both of which keeps the market flowing. What? I don't think you're understanding here. Demand does NOT fix inflation. When a PVPer destroys a ship the isk that was used to purchase that ship is still in the Eve universe. The ship isn't. As a consequence there is the same amount of isk for less products to account for it. Hence, inflation. Quote: The reason I whine about carebears is because they want to stop this. What they don't understand is that by doing so, they kill the market. By killing the market, they remove the driving mechanic of game, thus killing EVE dead and taking themselves with it. That is the problem. The only thing carebears want stopped is the incessant whines from hardcore PVPers meddling about what it is they decide to do with their time. Again, let the PVPers do what they want (you already do) and let the carebears do what they want (this is where some of you have problems).
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.07 23:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Malcanis Dont confuse Matrix Skye's hilariously dishonest characterisation of me as anything to do with reality. Dishonest mischaracterization of you? You mean the fact you openly admit your disdain for carebears? Please, spare me the drama. Carebears aren't the problem. It's not their whining or their actions that are ruining this game. Fact is your whining along with your click's whining (ie, Le Skunk, DigitalCommunist, et al) are enough to drown the forums in tears. The very same tears you yourself collect. Most of your posts on any given day spew hate, disdain, dissatisfaction, and envy towards carebears. The funny thing is you don't leave. It obviously makes you emo that carebears have a place in Eve. But you stay and continue to make your life miserable. Why would you even put yourself through that? Do you really hold hope that CCP one day will just drop a significant portion of their bread and butter because that would please a minority? You really think CCP is going to carve out its eye to spite its face? You're delusional. But keep hoping and wishing :). At least Ki An walked out and left. As much a ****** and spiteful as he was he upped and left. There are very few spiteful anti-carebears left in the forums. But you are so nauseatingly loud that your idiotic whines deafen the forums. Congrats. At least you succeed in something. o/.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 12:07:00 - [25] Facts: -Eve is NOT dying. Instead it continues to grow. -Eve's economy is thriving. And the devs continuosly make improvements to make it better. -For the most part Eve's population, except maybe for the few hardcores, is content. So, where exactly is the problem? Why are carebears needing to be exterminated? What exactly is it that needs "urgent" fixing from this damage that carebears are causing?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 14:31:00 - [26] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 08/10/2009 14:35:16 Originally by: kongking wang this whole argument is a sham. its has never been about carebears. its all about pvpers feeling they are getting a hard time. fact is carebears who have nothing to do with you in anyway cannot possibly have a substantial effect on your play style. just because they are not lambs to your slaughter doesnt in anyway mean they are ruining the game you chose your play style and so did everyone else. if your not happy then change it or addapt. loads of pvpers have addapted and even thrive on high sec pvp. ninjas/baiters/war decs. just because your not willing to addapt doesnt make your problems anyone elses The problem is some people thrive on the misery and grief of others for whatever reasons. They use the game to 'harvest tears' so they can feel better about themselves. But when their ability to influence others starts to lose umph they start feeling grief and misery themselves. I think this is the point they're at now. Desperate cries to CCP to allow them to harvest carebear tears. It's like you say. Some have found ways to continue to 'harvest tears' by baiting, salvaging, suiciding, and wardecing in hi sec. But others still haven't found ways to cure their inadequacies. It's Schadenfreude. And this game attracts lots of this type.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 16:46:00 - [27] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 08/10/2009 16:53:58 Originally by: Vanzatoarea be whatever you want, play however you want , none of that bothers me at all ...just remove the friggin concorde alltogether would that force you in any way to change your playstyle? you`ll still be able to mission/mine/trade/build whatever you want CCP , remove the crutches allready , the handicaped will learn to walk eventually...most of them will...EvE will be sooo much better without concorde Well I have exciting news for you! CCP must have been listening because they, get this, removed Concord from Lo Sec AND 0.0!!! How cool is that?!?! I know it sounds unbelievable. So I had to go check it out myself to make sure it wasn't just some low life carebear talking trash (you know how they can be). And it IS true!!! YAY!!! \o/ Now YOU get to play the way you want and those that want to play the way they want can as well. It's a win/win! OMG!!! YAY!1! \o/
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 18:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Tawny Kielbasa ITT: We recently discovered that we are running dangerously low on "Carebear Emo-Tears" (CBET). Apparently the "Carebears" (CB) evolved and started avoiding the regions commonly known as "Nullsec" where we used to harvest the CBET. Despite our sincerest efforts (eg campaigns to imply that it is everyone's DESTINY to live in "Nullsec" and promises of being useful and getting rewarded) we were forced to cut down on CBET. Fortunately our scientists discovered a thriving population of CB in the regions known as "Highsec". Preliminary reports indicate that this population will provide enough CBET for at least 6 months. Applying advanced farming and harvesting technology will exand that to 12 months. The most optimistic estimations even suggest that the stream of CBET might actually never run dry. However they also discovered a population of other entities which call themselves "CONCORD" (C). It appears these C are protecting the CB. Our researches are absolutely sure that C will render all attempts at farming the CBET in "Highsec" fruitless. Our military experts discovered that C can be bribed so that harvesting becomes possible again. Yet again we were struck by frustration when they found out that the CB entered into a deal with C that will ensure C's loyalty under all circumstances. And this is was brings me here today. We would like to ask you to look into the possibility of removing the entities called "CONCORD" (our Chief Strategic Advisor is confident that keeping the region "Highsec" will not have any adverse effects once "CONCORD" is gone). However removing "Highsec" all together - if it is at all possible - would be our preferred solution. We implore you! Do not deny this most simple wish! Let us farm those "Carebears" so we can again nurture our hardcore PVP souls! We must not starve! To prevent unnecessary communition overhead our Chief Strategic Advisor suggested to include additional information: Our researchers also examined the possibility of moving to other parts of "Nullsec" to search for different sources of CBET. Our data indicates that "Nullsec" is mainly inhabited by other hardcore PVP souls. Studies clearly show that farming those entities is absolutely impossible and even simple harvesting is extremely difficult. Furthermore, ancient documents suggest that harvesting hardcore PVP souls yields "Greifer Emo-Tears" (GET) which are not sweet like the CBET but in fact extremely bitter. Our current knowledge about hardcore PVP soul anatomy is incompatible with using even slightly bitter tears for nourishment - let alone using GET. You can see we have no other option - this is our last hope! Furthermore, the lack of CBETs seems to be generating GETs. And that explains all the pirate emo-tears lately .
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.08 19:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Vanzatoarea but yeahb ccp wants subs from parasites aswell...cant argue with that fact...i can only hope ccp will realize that parasites are just that , parasites , and they wont be here after 6 months . The parasites are evolving. And thanks to these mutations I am now able to last indefinitely in this game (5 years and counting). What have you to say about that? The parasites are coming for you. And you have no where to go .
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.09 09:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Vanzatoarea dominion will ruin eve beyond repair , that`s a fact by now Yes, yes. Eve will die once Dominion hits. You hardcore PVPers seem to be the whiniest emo kids when you don't get your way. You guys are the true carebears in Eve but you don't even realize it. You hate that which you are. How friggin' ironic. My sig fits your persona so well it's scary .

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.09 12:21:00 - [31] Too bad these 'hardcore PVPers' dont run on their own tears . Too bitter I guess.

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